Deleted Artists : Nepal

Deleted Artists : Nepal 29 NOV 2020

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November 28, 2020

1 Bands and musicians

1.1 Ben Ofoedu

1.2 Festival Singers of Atlanta

1.3 Deribb

1.4 Flame (band)

1.5 Zia Atabay

1.6 Inja (band)

1.7 JSL Singh

1.8 Tanmaya Bhatnagar

1.9 Rekha Luther

1.10 M. Nasir

1.11 Dayang Nurfaizah

1.12 Ikstarr

1.13 Final Cut (band)

1.14 Musaddam Idriss Musa

1.15 Yonnyboii

1.16 Sexy Sax Man

1.17 The Hated

1.18 Three Shades of Dirty

1.19 Sue Vanner

1.20 Kmac2021

1.21 Slava Marlow

1.22 Gran Bel Fisher

1.23 Katy Woolley

1.24 Nakala

1.25 DJ Young Chow

1.26 Silence and Light

1.27 Nazz King

1.28 Brad Thomas (soldier)

1.29 Joel P. West

1.30 Isaac K. Lee

1.31 Erdling

1.32 Reckless Crew

1.33 Orbs (band)

1.34 Ajalon (band)

1.35 M3NSA

1.36 Yaa Pono

1.37 Tiffany Houghton

1.38 Gary Pig Gold

1.39 Robert Eggplant

1.40 Gobin Debbarma

1.41 Robiul Islam Jibon

1.42 Francesca De Grandis

1.43 Molly (band)

1.44 Passmore Sisters

1.45 Julius (band)

1.46 Satya Aditya Waiba

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Bands and musicians

Ben Ofoedu

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Articles for deletion/Ben Ofoedu

Articles for deletion/Ben Ofoedu (2nd nomination)

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This page has been tagged for refimprovement since 2008: it was previously nominated in 2016, with minimal participation and no consensus. His notability is limited to having been a guest member of a minor music group, and being engaged to Vanessa Feltz. I'm not convinced that either of these would pass NOTINHERITED, and I cannot find anything else which might demonstrate notability. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 18:25, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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Festival Singers of Atlanta

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No indication of notability. A7 was declined awhile back because singing at festivals is apparently a claim to significance. Zero independent sources located on a search. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete I couldn’t find anything either. Mccapra (talk) 03:23, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Deribb

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Articles for deletion/Deribb

Articles for deletion/Deribb (2nd nomination)

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Already deleted once last month at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deribb, and should be salted this time. This version of the article has eight sources and seven of them have the exact same text, starting with "Fast-rising artiste" and then introducing the song "Where" a few lines later. (The eighth source is behind a paywall.) Every single one of those sources are reprints of the same press release from the singer's management, and no reliable media outlet would reprint from a different outlet while using unsubstantiated puffery. Nothing else can be found on the singer except the usual retail and streaming sites. An obvious and pretty desperate attempt at promotion. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:16, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Note - This version of the article may have originated from a previous duplicate article that was called Deribigbe Benson (the singer's birth name), and revamped after the first AfD. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:20, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete and SALT per nom; technically only has one source Spiderone 21:50, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete and SALT. Promotion of a subject who is not yet notable. Mccapra (talk) 03:25, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete and SALT I agree with the other delete voters that this is promotional, badly sourced, and should be salted. Really, the article shouldn't have been recreated in the first place. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:49, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete and SALT. Subject who is not yet notable and is a promotional page. Eric Carr (talk) 16:45, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Flame (band)

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The article has been tagged for notability issues since 2013 and seen no improvement. My WP:BEFORE has shown several user generated sources, none of which pass as IRS. Fails both WP:GNG and WP:BAND. Less Unless (talk) 17:50, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

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Keep: Oricon shows their releases have charted (though unfortunately they no longer publicly show charting releases prior to 2005 and I don't have a paid subscription). They do pass WP:GNG and have several articles written about them, but only in Japanese. lullabying (talk) 20:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Zia Atabay

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Fails WP:ARTIST Serv181920 (talk) 07:09, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

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keep it meet WP:MUSICBIO poor article is not a reason for Deletion Samat lib (talk) 22:12, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete, Almost all sources are about him launching his TV station and some are interviews. I think he'll probably be notable in the future, another case of TOOSOON I'm afraid. Fails NSINGER -Xclusivzik (talk) 23:02, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Inja (band)

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Fails WP:NBAND, only sources are WP:UGC / WP:SPS / WP:SELFSOURCE that do not establish notability Leijurv (talk) 01:30, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete it fails WP:MUSICBIO Samat lib (talk) 22:46, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

JSL Singh

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Unsourced advertisement, fails WP:GNG and WP:NPERSON —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 03:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete: Reads like spam to me. Not entirely sure why this spam has survived for 6 years now. JavaHurricane 06:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete - Would be a BLP proposed deletion, but we are here. Unsourced. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, Twinkle help tooltip specifically said new unsourced BLPs, but i'll remember I can BLPPROD in the future, thank you. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 02:24, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete, spammy and person is not notable -Xclusivzik (talk) 09:22, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete non-notable person and spammy, per Xclusivzik. COI also applies, as the article creator only edited this before he disappeared into thin air. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 10:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Tanmaya Bhatnagar

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Non notable singer who does not satisfy any criterion from WP:SINGER and WP:GNG. A Google search of her mostly shows mentions and no in-depth significant coverage in multiple reliable sources was found to qualify for WP:GNG. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 04:18, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy keep: It's disheartening to see this nomination. She is one of the popular Indie folk singers under Independent record label. Her works are published in reliable sources (for example:Rolling stone). She already made her Bollywood playback singing debut with romantic drama Comedy Couple as a composer. Listeners (including musician like A. R. Rahman) say that such Indie folk creators are more relatable and trendsetting than other popular artists. She definitely meets WP:SINGER and WP:GNG. (Note to admins & reviewers: I was the creator of this article) Nalbarian (talk) 06:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nalbarian: Being a singer is not an assertion of notability. They need to satisfy a notability criteria which subject of this article fails to satisfy any relevant criteria. The Rolling stone article contains significant discussion of the subject, but multiple such sources are needed to establish notability.--Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 09:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep, meets WP:SINGER. She clearly "[h]as been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." For instance, [1], [2], [3]. Tayi Arajakate Talk 09:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Rekha Luther

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Doesn't meet WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Plus it is a blp with no clear refs. Boleyn (talk) 19:27, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete - The article had some attempted references that were incorrectly copied as external links (now fixed). Anyway, the article looks like an attempted promotion for actress/model who is slowly getting her career started. She has a few fashion shoots and background appearances in movies, and a one-paragraph mention in Vogue India (footnote #3), but very little coverage that specifically comments on her career. We can go with "too soon" for now. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete - I agree that this looks like a case of WP:TOOSOON. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

M. Nasir

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Fails Notablity, seems Promotinol or advertising. Sturdyankit (chat) 03:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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Keep - I disagree with your proposal to delete this article. This subject is notable as there are sources provided. We can cleanup this by removing any contents that is promotional or advertising. Also we should added more references to prove notablity as well. Best Regards.–Fandi89 (talk) 00:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep per Fandi89. – robertsky (talk) 02:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep per Fandi89. Anumengelamun (talk)

I cann't understand on what basis you guys are putting KEEP votes...your votes are Baseless...give some appropriate reasons if you think this Article is notable enough for English wikipedia...kindly look once the article, How can it seems notable...There is no any valid reference; the provided reference is from Facebook, originals(Black hat seo site) and 3 of 5 reference are from same source. Sturdyankit (chat) 01:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Sturdyankit: which sites are black hat seo sites? care to break these down for us? From the way I am seeing the references:

1. http://praharaseni.blogspot.my/2001/11/phoenix-bangkit-back-to-roots.html seems to be a republishing of an article from a magazine published in Malaysia. We probably will have to do better and find an alt source/link for this.

2. https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Artist/mnasirofficial/about/ this is his official page. the fact and refs fits WP:ABOUTSELF

3. http://www.bfm.my/wavelength-the-journeyman-m-nasir.html http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/m-nasir-traditional-music-meets-western-sounds https://web.archive.org/web/20150809191455/http://www.star2.com/culture/arts/2015/04/29/m-nasir-he-sings-he-writes-now-hes-making-art/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170205181402/http://ww1.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=1998&dt=0813&pub=utusan_malaysia&sec=rencana&pg=ot_04.htm&arc=hive https://web.archive.org/web/20111119041154/http://ecentral.my/news/story.asp?file=%2F2011%2F11%2F18%2Fmovies%2F9925532&sec=movies are/were domains belonging reputable media companies based in Malaysia and Singapore.

4. http://www.istiadat.gov.my/index.php/component/semakanlantikanskp/ goes Malaysia's government site listing the awards given at national level.

Pray tell, how are these references invalid? – robertsky (talk) 01:35, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Dayang Nurfaizah

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Fails Notablity, seems Promotinol. Sturdyankit (chat) 03:01, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep — a quick search reveals numerous articles in English about her in Malaysian publications (e.g. here, here, here, and here) along with what appear to be more in Malay. I can't speak well to their reliability and substantive independence, but the volume of articles alone from different outlets in recent years suggests she indeed is notable. WhinyTheYounger (talk) 03:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

well, I agree with you; Google search give some results about her but I don't think these websites are reliable enough. These websites are look like PR or black hat SEO sites.Sturdyankit (chat) 04:00, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Malay Mail is a 123-year-old paper that seems to have a fine reputation. I'm also seeing apparent articles about her (e.g. here) in Harian Metro, though these are in Malay, which I don't speak. So it does seem she meets notability requirements through independent, reliable sources. It is also worth noting that both Malay and Indonesian Wikipedia have articles on her as well. WhinyTheYounger (talk) 04:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep - As a native speaker of Malay, I think we can added more English references in addition of Malay references. This person is notable and I don't think it is seems to be promotional or advertising and I disagree with your proposal to delete this article.–Fandi89 (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Ikstarr

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Non-notable singer and music producer. The article does not indicate that any of the musical notability criteria are satisfied. The article also does not indicate that general notability is satisfied.

References 1, 4, and 5 are interviews, and so are not secondary coverage. References 2 and 3 are not about the subject but about an ancestor.

If this article were submitted at AFC, it would be declined. It was submitted at AFC, and was declined. The author then insulted the reviewers in edit summaries, but this is a content forum. Creating two copies, one in article space and one in draft space, is sometimes done to game the system to prevent draftification. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

*Keep As per Notability guidelines. The subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, hence the subject is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article.

Significant coverage in this instance includes verified coverage from: The Guardian Newspaper ThisDay Newspaper The Nation Newspaper The Tribune Newspaper among others. "Reliable" means that sources have editorial integrity and hence allow for verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. These newspapers appear to be reputable, national daily newspapers and on closer inspection are the biggest circulating and authoritative publications in Africa with a combined reach over 200 million people. This is significant coverage. Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. One of the independent sources refer to the subject creating a new genre of music. Regardless, notability in this instance is established on the grounds of the existence of suitable sources as above.

The sources address the subject directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract further content.

Furthermore, the subject has verifiably had their work broadcast nationally as per The Guardian Newspaper. The subject has over ten thousand monthly listeners on Spotify. The references are “Independent of the subject" and excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it.

Harmonyfair69 (talk) 01:58, 24 November 2020 (UTC) Blocked. scope_creepTalk 08:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep

As per wiki criteria for musicians and ensembles the subject as had:

Multiple non-trivial published works(newspaper articles) appearing in sources that are reliable. Notably, The Guardian newspaper, ThisDay Newspapers, Tribune Newspaper and The Nation. These are non-trivial and review the subjects work. They don't appear restricted to release info and there was no mere mention of performance dates or track listing.

The subject of the article [as per s.7 of criteria for musicians] also appears to be a prominent representative of a niche, but notable musical style in Nigeria. Reputable sources objectively referred to it as a new musical genre. This directly feeds into s.3 and s.4 of wiki criteria for composers and lyricist.

There are objective, reliable sources namely: The Guardian Newspaper among others citing that the object has influence, technique and repertory for a particular music genre.

[As per s.11 of wiki criteria for musicians] the subject’s work has been verifiably cited as achieving National Radio and television network airplay in Nigeria

Notability is not subjective, but rather is objective based on reputable independent references or sources, especially for a musician or composer.

Therefore, based on the adherence to the criteria for musical notability as stipulated by Wikipedia guidelines as fulfilled above, the subject is newish but objectively and reasonably passes the musical Notability criterion

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Keep Seems rather local, but important. Oaktree b (talk) 01:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Weak delete, might be a case of TOOSOON. This is supposed to be a biography article and the current sources are simply not reliable enough. Also no chart placings or awards (NMUSIC not met) - Xclusivzik (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete it fails WP:MUSICBIO evidence of Notability not found Samat lib (talk) 22:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep a simple google search shows subject is notable. References from newspapers appear sufficient to me.

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Final Cut (band)

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Non-notable band GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Industrial band from Detroit. The article originated as a redirect to The Final Cut (band) which has the same unreliable "sources" provided as this one. Then in 2020, the notorious Soul Crusher expanded the article, so now we have two articles on the same non-notable band. This is going to be a double deletion nomination, as I propose that to deletion as well:

The Final Cut (band)

That's the same band, the only difference is the word "The" in front of the name and the fact that the article has been sitting here since 2005, while this version exists since 2020. I don't see why we need two articles on the same band, especially when it's not notable. Anyways, the sourcing is dreadful in both articles - the record label, myspace and a blank Allmusic page, these don't establish any notability. As I see, their albums have been released on notable, major labels which is a sign of notability, of course, but I brought this here due to the sourcing, as the articles does not contain any RS nor did I found any (with the exception of the presented Exclaim link) - just the same old unreliable stuff: databases, WP mirrors, streaming links, youtube videos and blogs. I have found some album reviews but they are featured on blogs, and most of them are short. I have also found trivial news about them reissuing one of their albums, which I do not consider to be reliable. The only reliable source is this: Exclaim Album Review, and that's it. Allmusic has reviewed one of their albums, but it's a really short review, and the biography page of the band itself is blank, which makes it unreliable. The other album reviews I found are featured on blogs, which I have already mentioned. One decent source is a good start, but not enough. So, all in all, I think this is a non-notable band. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Comment - The nominator uncovered a bizarre sequence of events. The Final Cut (band) has been sitting around for a long time, and Final Cut (band) (without "The") was a redirect to it until two months ago. But then User:Soul Crusher turned the redirect into an exact copy of the article it used to point to. That cannot be a beginner's mistake because copying from the older article requires knowledge of its existence, but the motivation for the copy/paste exercise is a mystery. At least one of those should be speedy deleted as a duplicate. Also note that the History/Biography section of the older article was almost entirely written in 2006 by User:Cr33py, who is also listed as a member of the band. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Weak Keep (one of the duplicates) - The band just barely passes the notability requirements at WP:NBAND, but my vote is "Weak Keep" because most of their media notice is for one album. Deep Into the Cut was reviewed briefly by AllMusic ([4]) and more extensively by The Quietus ([5]) and The Wire ([6]). The band also has a basic introduction at AllMusic ([7]), though info on the band themselves is sketchy otherwise. In fairness it looks like they have enough for a basic stub article, though the one that remains needs to be pared down significantly to verifiable facts. From album covers it appears that Final Cut (no "The") is the true name of the band; admins can figure out how to preserve the history after the messy redirects and re-creations. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Comment - Oh, I just noticed that Cr33py is a member of the band, and yes, he wrote most of the article. So there is a massive COI involved. As for the sources, the Allmusic bio is brief, but it's okay for a start. The AM album review is really short - I have already mentioned that. The Wire piece is a basic short introduction and an album stream. I don't consider that reliable. The Quietus piece is great, as it reviews the album. So we have two good sources now: The Quietus and Exclaim. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 10:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete - I'm an industrial fan! Clearly there are notable people *connected* to this band, but whether the band itself is notable I don't know. This article needs more RS - someone add the RS, if it exists, and I will change my vote. Deathlibrarian (talk) 02:16, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm not incredibly passionate about it, but in my "Weak Keep" vote above, I listed some acceptable sources. If the article survives, I can fix it up later by adding sources and removing junk. Admins should note that the redirect/duplicate situation also needs to be cleared up if one of the articles is kept. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 02:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Musaddam Idriss Musa

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Fails Notablity. Sturdyankit (chat) 17:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Yonnyboii

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Fails Notablity, seems promotional or advertising. Sturdyankit (chat) 17:34, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete - The article's shamelessly promotional tone had me expecting the worst, but he gets a little closer to notability than I expected. He has some media mentions in Malaysia, but they are clearly softball interviews arranged as publicity exercises, and the Sun Daily is a free tabloid-style paper that is not reliable for purposes of the notability of people it helps promote. Otherwise the article is dependent on sources that are actually about his collaborators, or primary sources consisting of his own streaming and social media entries. Charitably it is too soon for a Wikipedia article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete - Because this article is entirely a promotional and advertising rather than encyclopedia. I suspect this was created by a user who have close connection with the subject. Hope this can locked to prevent it from recreated.–Fandi89 (talk) 00:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete Maybe notably one day but for now WP:TOOSOON Spudlace (talk) 06:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Sexy Sax Man

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Notability is not established by current sources provided, which are YouTube videos and reddit, as well as an article from Metal Insider, none of which are reliable. Laval (talk) 12:13, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Discuss I've heard of him, a semi-notable internet celebrity. Not sure if it passes the smell test, but if we could establish notability, would be a great addition. Oaktree b (talk) 02:11, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete it fails WP:MUSICBIO evidence of Notability not found Samat lib (talk) 22:22, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

The Hated

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Tagged as unsourced since 2008, article tries to present the band as more historically important than it really was. They actually have one reliable but brief retrospective mention as an early unknown emo act ([8]), but contemporary coverage is dim except for a very brief listing in a 2002 book on 90s alt-rock ([9]). The article's lengthy Discography section actually shows a fairly small group of songs popping up again and again in re-released demos and compilations. Modern coverage consists of the usual retail and database sites and even those are scarce. Note that searching for this band is tough because there is at least one punk band with the exact same name, a rap group called The Hated Crew, and various others. See also the faulty article for the related band Three Shades of Dirty. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:39, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete a myspace fan page is never enough to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete per nom and per John Pack Lambert – GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep: Having looked through both of the articles nominated together (this one and Three Shades of Dirty) which I !voted delete on, they seem very similar. Unlike the other one, this has a few sources online... most of them seem to be rather dull, although they do confirm its existence and try to show notability... oh, what's this?? one of them happens to be the... holy CRAP Lois!! It's the New York FrEAkIn Times!!! jp×g 05:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Note the difference between reliable sources and significant coverage in the notability rules. The band got ONE FrEAkIn paragraph in NYT, Lois, in an article that was not even about them but about their genre. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Three Shades of Dirty

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Short-lived local band that only released one demo album and got very little contemporary coverage. Long after their breakup, they were dimly remembered by a few bloggers (e.g. [10], [11], [12]) and were listed very briefly in a 2002 book on 90s alt-rock ([13]). Can find nothing else except for the typical retail and database entries, and even those are scarce. Interested voters may also want to see the article for their predecessor band The Hated which displays similar issues. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:24, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete Defunct, small-time band. Oaktree b (talk) 02:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete Non-notable, just like The Hated. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete - no significant coverage, no reliable sources, one album, no pizzazz. jp×g 05:06, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete, Lacks coverage by reliable sources. Alex-h (talk) 11:39, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Sue Vanner

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Fails GNG, fails WP:ENT - "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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Kmac2021

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YouTube musician with questionable notability. A few articles online highlighting some videos of his, but nothing on him as a person in WP:RS that I can find. Mbdfar (talk) 04:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete articles are meant to be based on secondary sources, not sources created by the subject.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:30, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete, non notable YouTube musician -Xclusivzik (talk) 02:18, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete it fails WP:MUSICBIO Samat lib (talk) 22:43, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Slava Marlow

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Does not pass WP:NBIO, due to WP:INDEPTH. Of the sources that are independent, most are focussing on Morgenshtern. 1292simon (talk) 01:13, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete, not notable and sources aren't indepth. -Xclusivzik (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:21, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete a non-notable musician not even close to passing our inclusion guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:32, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Gran Bel Fisher

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Released two albums for Hollywood Records, but one was only an EP. Appearead on a Greys Anatomy compliation but was only one of several acts.

Sources are all WP:PRIMARY. Searching back issues of Billboard along with newspapers.com yielded only passing mentions at best. Best I could find was one review from AllMusic. His content did not chart anywhere. The only two hits on Billboard.com are name-drops of him in the context of other artists or labels.

It was previously stated that he is a former member of the unquestionably notable Marshall Dyllon, but I'm having a hard time corroborating this. The claim seems to trace back to a long-defunct songwriter/publisher website added as a source to the Marshall Dyllon page ages ago, which doesn't even mention Marshall Dyllon at all. The insert in Marshall Dyllon's debut album, as transcribed on a long-abandoned Angelfire fan page, does claim that Jesse Littleton is from Sabina, Ohio, while AllMusic does give GBF's real name as "Jesse Littleton" and claim that he is from Sabina, Ohio. However, I'm not sure if a flyer issued as a bonus inside of a CD is a reliable source, especially when the only trace of it is the above transcription. I have found no sources whatsoever that have both "Marshall Dyllon" and "Gran Bel Fisher" in them, and you'd think that if he had been in another band, no matter how briefly, that at least one publicist would have made note of this. For this reason, I don't think that a merge/redirect to Marshall Dyllon would be warranted. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:43, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete per well reasoned argument of the nominator.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Katy Woolley

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Fails GNG, WP:MUSICBIO Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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Keep has reliable sources coverage such as the BBC, Financial Times and others and is a professor at The Royal Academy of Music, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:41, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Nakala

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Fails GNG. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:34, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete it fails WP:MUSICBIO Samat lib (talk) 22:40, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

DJ Young Chow

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non-notable dj, no meaningful coverage, never charted and it's basically just a resume. All the sources are either unreliable, paid for, interviews or press releases. Praxidicae (talk) 00:48, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. No evidence of notability and most of the sources are primary. HAWTH OFF HEAD TALK 22:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete a non-notable event DJ, who also evidently owns an (unmaned) restuarant and also has a meal prep service.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete it fails WP:MUSICBIO. Samat lib (talk) 21:21, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Sandstein 18:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Silence and Light

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Fails WP:NBAND. A deep dig into sources doesn't reveal any coverage, nor any charting or reviews in the typical outlets, just some minor fan blogs. Praxidicae (talk) 16:43, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete Just another non-notable band. Their ordinary and bland name makes searching difficult, but the few results that are actually about them are not reliable, just blogs / re-published articles about them supporting Veterans or whatever. I am not pleased about the sourcing in the article either. There are three sites cited, one is an album announcement which I don't consider a reliable source since it's both trivial and promotional, the other is the band's own site which is not independent, and the last one is just about them supporting Veterans. They have only one album as of yet, and I couldn't find anything reliable about that either, just spotify and amazon. So this is a non-notable band, it's most certainly WP:TOOSOON for them. Or at least per WP:CHEAP, redirect to either of the members' articles (as I see, two members of this band have their own articles). GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete - I completely agree with Ghost Destroyer and the nominator Spiderone 18:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Sandstein 18:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Nazz King

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With just 15 press mentions on Google News and a flair of WP:PROMO this Ghanian rap star is probably the candidate for a speedy deletion, but let's give it a chance for a proper AfD. Bbarmadillo (talk) 16:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete - Like many WP articles on "rising" music "stars" from Ghana (and also Nigeria), this guy has media mentions that are reprinted press releases from his management (e.g. [14], [15] [16]), which are then used in attempts to claim that he has received media attention. You could say the same about the "Northern Entertainment Awards" ceremony, which itself receives the same type of PR-based "coverage". Wikipedia should not be yet another cog in this promotional blitz from his handlers. DOOMSDAYER520 | TALK | CONTRIBS 16:54, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete in full agreement with nom and Doomsdayer. It's a shame WP is full of so many non-notable Nigerian/Indian/Ghanaian music "stars". There are no reliable sources available for these people. Social media pages, PR pieces (like album/song/concert announcements), videos, lyrics sites, streaming links, retail sites and interviews are not reliable sources. And these are everything I find when I search for these people. Not to mention those who create these pages are often COI/SPA editors, they only edit that one article, then they disappear into thin air. In some cases, said user might have other edits which saves him from the SPA accusation, but most of his edits revolve around the wannabe "star" so the promotion is still obvious. Like this case too. Look at the article creator's edits. He has edited other things too, but most of his Wiki activity revolves around this guy's page. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 20:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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In no way am l affiliated to the person in the Nazz King article. All this are false accusations but hey who am l to tell the great and might Wikipedia moderators what to believe. Lastly some of you speak of sources not being reliable or holding no notability, yet l clearly see Beyoncé's wiki contributors promoting her latest endeavors but all you CHICKEN out and don't call them out because you think upcoming musicians hold no merit right?.It's sad how most of you moedrators channel out your miserables lives failures to most new Articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramsey555 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Comment Thank you for your "high quality" comment. Very high-brow, very sophisticated. Why don't you learn to sign your comment instead of a comment like this? It would be better for WP. I don't give a crap about Beyoncé, on the contrary you look like you spend a lot of time around her article since you know all of this. And as for your question of "upcoming musicians hold no merit, right?" read the following: WP:NOTABILITY, WP:NBAND, WP:NMUSICIAN GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 12:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Something none of us noticed before: There was an earlier article for this musician with a slightly different spelling of his name, and it was deleted about six months ago at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NazzKing. Near the top of that older discussion, note how Ramsey555 was recorded as claiming that NazzKing was "my page" with an interest in how it appeared in search results. Ramsey555 was involved in that deletion discussion too, in a more subdued fashion but still claiming discrimination against African musicians. His commentary this time collapses into personal accusations, which we can discuss but it still doesn't make Mr. Nazz any more notable as a musician. Also relevant here is the other stuff exists fallacy. DOOMSDAYER520 | TALK | CONTRIBS 13:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Comment Alright let me make life easier for you, maybe this will make you feel like you are really contributing to Wikipedia,,, Go AHEAD and please delete the damn page, no need of having a senseless and useless discussion in the name of appearing as if you are doing something meaningful. Aren't you guys a bunch of prejudicial know it alls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramsey555 (talk • contribs) 09:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

The result was delete. MER-C 18:07, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Brad Thomas (soldier)

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non-notable military person and musician - fails WP:NSOLDIER and WP:NMUSIC. There's no in depth coverage of his career and nothing afaict that would make him notable as a soldier and even less so for his career. While the service is admirable, it's simply not enough for an article. Praxidicae (talk) 16:11, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete not-notable under GNG, and no presumption of notability under SOLDIER or NMUSIC. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:01, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 05:36, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete Terrible article BlueD954 (talk) 07:13, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep It would be nice if the editors would follow the administrator instructions and elaborate why instead of writing just delete, I noticed this on a lot more articles that are up for deletion. Next to that I'm still writing some additions. Just added one about his contribution of developing groin protections that have been fielded with some militaries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirites (talk • contribs) 23:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I literally explained why in my nomination that is 3 sentences long, Dirites. It's on this very page, or did you miss that? Praxidicae (talk) 00:30, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I Did not miss that Praxidicae, I was referring to BlueD954 Dirites 8:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't take advice from you. Why don't you wish something else? BlueD954 (talk) 04:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete does not pass GNG and meets neither the specific requirements for soldier notability nor those for musician notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

The result was delete. Sandstein 18:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Joel P. West

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I admit I created this article but I understand now why it fails WP:BASIC. The sources published by the Orlando Sentinel, the Hartford Courant and The San Diego Union-Tribune are all the same article. Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 13:43, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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Comment. Just FYI, per WP:G7, you can request a speedy delete of pages that you are the author on if you want such that you don't need to nominate it like this. Of course, you're also welcome to leave it up here for discussion, but just wanted to let you know! DocFreeman24 (talk) 14:16, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete we do not have enough actually different sources to pass GNG. As I have said elsewhere I really think we should go to making all new articles go through the articles for creation process.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:46, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 16:25, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Isaac K. Lee

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The subject does meet general notability guideline as several of the sources which some have now been removed were to social media platform - Twitter. The credibility of the other sources are also in doubt. Northern Escapee (talk) 09:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete. Per nomination, the individual does not appear to be notable as there does not appear to be significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) of the individual. Also, I agree that some of the sources cited in the article are a bit shaky and thus not reliable. DocFreeman24 (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete - Mr. Lee got lucky when a pro athlete noticed his tribute song, but this article relies on sources in which Lee and/or his song are only mentioned very briefly, while talking about the basketball player otherwise. Lee got a few other notices in esoteric communities but there is not nearly enough reliable coverage that is specifically about him. Does not pass Wikipedia's notability standards for music or biographies. DOOMSDAYER520 | TALK | CONTRIBS 16:46, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Erdling

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Seems to fail WP:NBAND CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 22:59, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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Weak keep the German Wikipedia article here has a lot more references and also indicates that their albums have charted on the German national charts which would be a pass of WP:NMUSICBIO criteria 2 (only one criteria needed). It's a weak keep because I don't know much about German music sources or German charts, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:37, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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Weak delete Just about notable in German (3 singles charting in lower reaches for 1 week), so they are a thing. But notable in English? No. Where do we draw the line when we 'import' notability? A band that has charted in Serbia? Nepal? Or only a G20 country? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Weak keep I agree with poster above, German article is well referenced, even if the references are in German. Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:52, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep The band passes WP:NBAND crit 2 and there's enough coverage for WP:GNG. I have also found these: 1 and 2 and 3 (this one is quite long). Plus the links in the German Wiki (not all of them - some are not passing the requirements). Alexandermcnabb Notability is not determined by the language of the sources, but by the amount of coverage in any language in all the media passing WP:IRS. Best, Less Unless (talk) 15:43, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. MBisanz talk 17:22, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Reckless Crew

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This was a DJ/Producer collective with many people, a few of whom became notable in other endeavors later. But as an entity unto itself it generated no significant and reliable media notice that is necessary for notability. The article is dependent on interviews with members Terror Danjah and Bruza, and a couple of those interviews list Reckless Crew once as either guy's early project, and the other interviews do not mention the collective at all. The other sources in the article are minor database and directory listings, and most of those are actually dedicated to some of the members, not to this crew as a whole. More of the same is all that can be found in a search. Longtime leader Terror Danjah has accomplished other things and if he had a WP article, Reckless Crew could be redirected there, but he does not. So deletion is recommended. DOOMSDAYER520 | TALK | CONTRIBS 02:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing. --Cewbot (talk) 00:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Orbs (band)

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Non-notable band. Emeraude (talk) 10:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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Keep or redirect - Band has two notable members, four reliable sources and an album article that is decently sourced which can be merged into the band article. If the article cannot be kept, it can be redirected with history to one of the two notable band members that do have articles, probably Ashley Ellyllon. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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Ajalon (band)

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Looks like a non-notable Christian rock band. The sources in the article are a primary source, an interview, and two unreliable sources. Allmusic bio is just four sentences long. This is just an interview. Looks like a minor Christian prog rock band that put out a little bit of work, but didn't get much coverage. Not seeing a WP:NBAND pass here, but I may have missed something. Tagged for notability since 2017. Hog Farm Bacon 06:15, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete. I was not able to find any reliable, non-primary references other than maybe a couple of promotional interviews. And there's no indication that they meet any of the other criteria at WP:BAND. Surachit (talk) 04:19, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete per nom and per Surachit. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete it fails WP:BAND Samat lib (talk) 21:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

M3NSA

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. They do not satisfy either WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. The three sources used in the article are all unreliable in this context as both this & this appear to be interviews hence aren’t independent of him thus doesn’t satisfy WP:GNG & this is user generated thus very unreliable. Celestina007 (talk) 20:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable rapper.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:23, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep I have added more references of Independent sources to the article. Subject of the article as mentioned in the article has had his work recognised locally and internationally. His work has also been featured in The Fader Here is also a link for his MOBO Awards nomination; MOBO Kinvidia (talk) 00:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Comment — the Fader.com source is an interview hence isn’t independent of the subject thus is of no value to WP:GNG whilst this Modern Ghana source merely name drops him amongst three other artists who were nominated for the award of which he didn’t win, WP:MUSICBIO requires the individual to have been nominated for a prominent award and MOBO awards isn’t that award & Apparently he was dropped from the nominees. Lastly please do not use pulse.com.gh as a reliable source to substantiate anything as they are not a reliable source, an example of their ineptitude is nonsense like this they publish. I have removed all pulse.com.gh sources used in the article as they clearly aren’t a serious or reliable source with reputation for fact checking. Please do not re-add them.Celestina007 (talk) 04:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

*Keep more references have been added from sources independent of the subject. Kinvidia (talk) 00:40, 18 November 2020 (UTC) struck second vote, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:52, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep does have a staff written AllMusic bio already in the article and coverage in reliable sources such as Fader. I don't understand what was going on with the MOBOs but they are a big deal in the UK, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:52, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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Yaa Pono

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WP:BLP of a musician, not reliably sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The strongest notability claim here is that he won a minor music award, referenced solely to the award's own self-published website rather than any evidence of media coverage about it -- but NMUSIC #8 requires major awards on the order of Grammys or Brits that get media coverage, not just any random music award that exists. And other than that, the only other sources here are his own self-published content on Deezer and a user-generated PR platform, not the reliable source coverage in real media independent of himself that it takes to pass WP:GNG. Bearcat (talk) 13:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable rapper.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:09, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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Comment after more verification there are more sources out there on google , Samat lib (talk) 22:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

keep it meet WP:MUSICBIO poor article is not a reason for Deletion , the rapper has won Ghana music Award ; Samat lib (talk) 22:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Tiffany Houghton

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No WP:SIGCOV in independent sources, article is entirely promotional. All of the sources used in the article are connected with the subject. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 10:46, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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Draftify: Persons seems notable. Article can be improved in the draftspace.Shahoodu (talk) 12:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep per WP:BEFORE and WP:MUSICBIO. Draftify if the consensus is that more work is needed beyond normal editing processes. There's plenty of evidence online that she is notable: 121,000 followers on Facebook and 85,300 on Twitter; toured nationally; myriads of downloads. The sketchy sourcing is the issue. Bearian (talk) 18:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Weak Keep per above. Sourcing really needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unspectrogram (talk • contribs) 07:22, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Without finding RS that cover the topic, the above "Keep" !votes have a highly flawed rationale. See WP:INHERENTWEB: followers ≠ notability. (t · c) buidhe 18:13, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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Gary Pig Gold

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Questionable notability, only one citation provided, appears to be a vanity page. Mansheimer (talk) 15:41, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete: there's no evidence of anything that would pass the criteria listed at WP:MUSICIAN. He's worked with plenty of people, but notability is not inherited. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 19:04, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep: The page requires editing to make notability clearer, and formatting and citation fixes but the subject is notable, particularly for his documentation of the punk scene in Toronto.--Smallison (talk) 13:59, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep he has a lengthy staff wrtten bio at AllMusic here as well as a review of one of his tracks, and there is reliable sources book coverage already referenced in the article. He passes WP:BASIC in my view so deletion is unnecessary, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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Keep: He's more notable as a music journalist and critic than as a musician. He's interviewed in oral histories about the Canadian punk scene, including On a Cold Road: Tales of Adventure in Canadian Rock (2011) and Treat Me Like Dirt: An Oral History of Punk in Toronto and Beyond 1977-1981 (2011). — Toughpigs (talk) 18:18, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Robert Eggplant

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Non-notable subject, no reliable secondary sources. Mansheimer (talk) 15:12, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete not enough sourcing to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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Keep. Guitarist for Blatz, also known as Robert Burnett. He published and edited the very influential zine Absolutely Zippo. Rolling Stone calls him a pivotal figure. He was featured in the documentary Turn It Around: The Story of East Bay Punk. Also there is significant coverage of him in several books and journal articles about the punk scene.[17][18][19][20][21][22] Also, this is one of a series of sometimes questionable deletion nominations by a seemingly aggrieved editor. gobonobo + c 06:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep as per the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion including reliable books and journals so that WP:GNG is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:01, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

The result was delete. MBisanz talk 17:24, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Gobin Debbarma

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Non notable singer with no indication of satisfying either WP:GNG or WP:SINGER. Sources are announcements of his music release with no wide coverage. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 13:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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I was made this article, this article meets WP:Guideline, the singer also has online source.Bdm166 (talk) 14:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete The sources in the article concern his participation in a single called "Break the Chain", causing him to fall into WP:1EVENT. Since the single is not notable, I support a delete outcome. Google, JSTOR and NYT searches did not yield additional results, nor did searches of Indian websites on Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources. Z1720 (talk) 02:38, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

We can move this article to draft instead of delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdm166 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete it fail WP:MUSICBIO evidence of Notability not found Samat lib (talk) 22:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Robiul Islam Jibon

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO Coriannakox (talk) 18:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Keep has had a number of his 700 compositions performed by notable artists, has won notable awards and received coverage in reliable Bangkadeshi sources, therefore passing WP:NCOMPOSER in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:20, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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Francesca De Grandis

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Fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:BASIC. I count one very short review of one of her books ([23]) and virtually nothing else. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete Hardly seems notable as a Wiccan poet. Oaktree b (talk) 03:37, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Molly (band)

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Non-notable band GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:59, 7 November 2020 (UTC) Swedish band. There are no sources, just external links - the band's website and myspace page which do not provide notability. There is no article about them on the Swedish WP. We don't even know if they are still active or not. Though the first sentence of the article is the following: "Molly was a Swedish band...", but the infobox states "1989-?" so it's unknown if they have split up or not. But it's most likely they did, as they haven't seem to made any waves whatsoever. At least I haven't found anything about them. Their name makes searching difficult, so I looked up their albums. All I found were some retail sites, youtube videos and one album review on a blog. That's it. The rest of the results are the words separately. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

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Have two full albums on a well-known indie label. That should be enough to establish notability. // Liftarn (talk) 15:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Liftarn: In part, yes. But the sourcing is more important. And that is abysmal, and I couldn't find any reliable sources. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 16:04, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, feel free to change the tagging to {{refimprove}} then. // Liftarn (talk) 06:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Liftarn: Okay, but I have not found any reliable sources. If I would just tag it with {{refimprove}}, the article would still sit here without any reliable references. I know that since I have seen a lot of band articles in that state. That's why I brought this band to AfD, to see whether anyone else has found any RS. If there are reliable sources, I just put them in and we're done. Notability is proven. Tagging with {{refimprove}} does not have that much an effect, like I said, I have seen band articles that has been tagged as such for 5-10, maybe 12 years now. And as of now, it hasn't been changed. I can't name you any examples since there are lots of band articles on WP. Okay, I can tell you one. A few months ago I nominated the article of the band Satariel for deletion. It has been tagged with refimprove since 2008. The sourcing was abysmal in that one as well, and I could barely find any RS. But then, thanks to the AfD, notability was finally proven thanks to reliable sources. So that's why I prefer to bring potentially non-notable stuff to Afd instead of just tagging it with refimprove. We can talk about it here whether it's notable or not. I don't necessarily want the article to be deleted, just to talk about whether it's notable or not. Regards, GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 08:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

As you can see I have started, but with a band name like that googling is a bit difficult. // Liftarn (talk) 16:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Liftarn: Yeah, I have mentioned that too. They have a simple name, so searching "molly band" will result in lots of different stuff. That's why I also included the titles of their albums during a search, to specify I am looking for the Swedish band. And all I found the things I already mentioned above. And they are not reliable. Regards, GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 06:22, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I did find some in SMDB that should be reliable. And a review of Raj Raj from the magazine Terrorpop. // Liftarn (talk) 13:26, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Liftarn: I have never heard of any of these magazines. Google search did not return them either. Can you please post them here? GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 13:43, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

SMDB is not a magazine, but a media catalogue at the National Library of Sweden. It's used to show that Molly did indeed got published by Sista bussen and thus are notable according to Wikipedia standards. Terrorpop was a Swedish music magazine in the 90s.[24] Some articles are online at http://www.blaskoteket.se/tidningar/terrorpop/ Others can be bought, [25][26][27] // Liftarn (talk) 14:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

They sound reliable (especially the first one). I will take a look. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 15:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

These are just shop links where you can buy this magazine. Can you please post the articles that talk about Molly specifically? Thank you. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 15:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

It's in the article, but http://www.blaskoteket.se/artiklar/terrorpop/nr-03-1994/molly-raj-raj/ // Liftarn (talk) 16:45, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I have already found this (during a Google search)! That's what I dismissed as an "album review on a blog". I had no idea Terrorpop was a magazine. The name of the magazine, its look and feel, and the style of the review made me think it's a blog or fanzine. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

No, it was a magazine, but the blog republishes some of the articles. // Liftarn (talk) 11:24, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

And what about SMDB? GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 16:12, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

SMDB (Svensk mediadatabas) is "a search service for the audiovisual collections at the National Library of Sweden (KB). The database contains information about TV, radio, video, movies presented in theaters, CDs, and multimedia.". I considered it a reliable source to show that Molly had their two albums released on an important indie label so they fulfil the requirements of WP:BAND. ("Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).". // Liftarn (talk) 07:08, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Okay. Although I have never heard of "Sista Bussen", that doesn't count for anything since according to the article they have been around since 1978. There are no reliable sources in that article either, might I add, just the official site of the label. The svwiki article doesn't even contain that. So I must admit I have doubts about that label's notability too. But google might return something, who knows, maybe there are reliable sources about the label. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 08:19, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia defines an important indie label as "a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable". Sista bussen has been around since 1978 so that's more than a few years and they have published Freddie Wadling, Köttgrottorna, Gudibrallan, Stefan Sundström, Leather Nun and so on so they fulfil the second requirement as well. Btw, it feels like you're moving the goalposts. // Liftarn (talk) 15:34, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

"I am moving the goalposts"? What's that supposed to mean? Sorry, I'm Hungarian, I don't know the meaning of every phrase. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 08:18, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, first you asked for sources for Molly being notable and when I gave them you switched to asking for sources that Sista bussen is notable. Moving the goalposts // Liftarn (talk) 14:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I see. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 20:44, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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Keep Notability per Wikipedia guidelines (WP:BAND) established by reliable sources ("Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels"). Sista Bussen is an important indie label according to Wikipedia standards ("label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable"). // Liftarn (talk) 15:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete To the contrary, none of the sources in the article nor the extensive discussion above demonstrate notability under either the WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:30, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: Thank you! Finally! I was right about this band being non-notable!

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It's notable according to Wikipedia rules. It's not the same as you need to have heard of it. // Liftarn (talk) 06:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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Come on! I don't base an AfD on the reason "I have never heard of it". I'm just saying it but it's not my primary reason! That would be stupid! This band may be popular or known in the underground, but it's not notable for WP! End of story! GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 09:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, that's the only argument you have left. I have conclusively proven that they are notable per WP:BAND and that you don't like it is is little relevance. // Liftarn (talk) 07:19, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

By the way, I think it would be time to close this. Whether it stays or not, it has been sitting here since Nov 7. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 09:55, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Passmore Sisters

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Does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. Onel5969 TT me 17:42, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of being able to pass WP:NBAND Spiderone 16:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Julius (band)

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Notability seems uncertain. The Dutch article was deleted, but there was no real discussion about it. (someone proposed deletion and an admin agreed) Here's an interview with the lead singer from a RS, but that doesn't directly help to establish notability for the band. I don't know how big the band is in Asia. One of their songs was featured on an episode of The Bold and the Beautiful, but is that enough? And the Mayson guitar company mascot thing, well, they don't seem to have an article.

@Ritchie333: You previously declined a speedy deletion request because "most bands aren't asked to support U2". I dislike speedy deletion for anything not obviously vandalism/spam/etc, but your argument is invalid. I listened to the source, an interview with the lead singer (in Dutch, which I understand) and Julius did the aftershow. In the interview he is asked whether he will actually meet U2, and he says that as there are 4 shows planned, he figures there may be a moment when they could shake hands. It's not like they were performing together, alas. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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*Weak keep reference 3 seems to show they had a hit record that charted highly on the Netherlands national top 40 chart - but am not positive about it so a weak keep, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC) striking in view of later info Atlantic306 (talk) 22:58, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Atlantic306: Actually no.. Back to the days reached the #7 spot in the Tipparade. This is a list of 30 tracks that are suggested may enter the Top 40 at some point based on sales numbers and the personal preference of various people in a meeting. (it's complicated mkay) As an example, check the current #1 of the actual Top 40: https://www.top40.nl/master-kg-ft-nomcebo/jerusalema-35028. In week 32, it was #24 in the Tipparade. In week 33 it was #1 in the Tipparade. In week 34 the graph turns red: the song reached #27 in the Top 40, which also means it was no longer in the Tipparade. Back to the days never made it into the Top 40. You can also verify this on the artist page where you'll see "Top 40-hits: Geen". — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:49, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining, have struck my vote and am neutral, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:58, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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Delete – doesn't meet any of the criteria in WP:NBAND, whether or not they eventually got to meet U2. – bradv🍁 17:35, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Satya Aditya Waiba

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Seems to be a case of WP:TOOSOON. She produced few songs in collaboration with hiser sister and sources are all about release of their songs. I could not locate in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 18:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 18:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Keep

WP:GNG-If the producer has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the producer, it is presumed that the producer is suitable for a stand-alone article or list.

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.

WP:ANYBIO- The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field.

And the subject is 'he' not 'she! The very fact that the 'deletion nominator' has presumed the subject to be a female proves how shallow his/her research on the subject is. Despite the following publications readily available clearly stating the gender and contribution of the subject. I am citing English publications only for the benefit for my fellow editors, Nepali publications are numerous too. Unfortunately, there aren't just enough English publications in Nepal nor the Nepali diaspora big enough to sustain such publications in other countries.

The album is produced by Satya Aditya Waiba, her younger brother- Telegraph, India

Navneet and Satya have been working on the album for the past two years with the help of of Kiran Nepali, a sarangi player of the Nepali folk band Kutumba- Telegraph, India

Navneet sings traditional Nepali Folk Songs in collaboration with Nepali Folk Band Kutumba.Satya Waiba, her brother produces and manages her music. The single 'Chuiya Ma Hah' reached number 1 on Kathmandu charts within two weeks of the release of this album- Ok Listen, Navneet Aditya Waiba's official album release site.

For them this is the best way to remember their mother and pay tribute to a folk artiste bar none. Siblings Navneet and Satya Aditya Waiba are readying to release an album Aamalai Shraddanjali in memory of their mother late Hira Devi Waiba, a renowned folk artiste, who passed away on January 19, 2011. It is a compilation of late Hira Devi’s songs sung by daughter Navneet and produced by son Satya, and they were in the Capital to re-record the songs- The Himalayan. Nepal's leading English newspaper.

Thank You--Tabletop123 (talk) 20:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Tabletop123: If I've mistakenly addressed him as her, it does not mean that I have not done the research well. Now lets get back to the point, as I've clearly stated above that the sources cited in the article do not have in-depth significant coverage and the ones you posted above are mere mentions in passing and do not add up to SIGCOV and it fails WP:GNG. He is the son of a famous folk singer. However, notability is not inherited by a relationship to notable people and there should be enough independent, non trivial coverage to have a standalone article.

You stated it meets WP:BIO, could you explain how? All i can see is his elder sister re-recorded an album consisting of seven songs, originally sung by her mother, which the subject has produced and there is some coverage concerning release of the album.

If you believe he's got more coverage in Nepali language newspapers, post them below, and I or someone else will analyze them.--Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 10:27, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pamzeis (talk) 05:15, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep- Subject received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the producer.1 2Tabletop123 (talk) 09:43, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tabletop123: You can't vote more than once, please remove one of them. And the sources you pointed to above are the same ones and I have already explained above as to why these sources do not demonstrate notability.--Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 11:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The process here is not a 'vote'. One can voice his/her opinion as many times as willing.Tabletop123 (talk) 19:20, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tabletop123 while you can make multiple comments you should only make 1 formal (bolded) "not vote". Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Music producers haven't given much credit in Wikipedia, especially from the Nepali music industry. Subject has been covered impartially. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Tabletop123 (talk) 18:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete Under the most charitable interpretation of these sources possible, these are mere passing mentions. Every single article presented so far is actually about this person's relatives -- their mother or sister. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED and notability requires WP:SIGCOV, which these references do not demonstrate. The other arguments for keep amount to WP:ITSIMPORTANT or WP:ILIKEIT. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:14, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Comment:

Subject has been covered in reliable sources with editorial integrity independent of the subject and has verifiable evidence.

Has received attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability.

Subject’s work is encyclopaedic and knowledge about this subject is useful and it has a realistic potential for expansion.

Mentions of subject is true, verifiable and neutral point of view.

Tabletop123 (talk) 18:57, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tabletop123:, the points above have already been made twice before and making them multiple times does not mean that the editor who closes this discussion will weigh them more heavily. In point of fact, it often results in exactly the opposite effect. The one vital point of notability that you gloss over in the above, however, is significant coverage. Multiple passing mentions are still passing mentions. Every source presented is not about this subject, but about their relatives. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Without the producer (subject), this music genre wouldn't exist. Thanks.Tabletop123 (talk) 22:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: In my opinion, this is leaning towards being deleted, but there have only been 3 editors who have contributed to this discussion. I'd like to see if giving it one more week can solicit opinions from other editors to form a clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong| [confer] || 23:52, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough in relisting. Having said that there are various and non-partial evidence of the subject and his work being encyclopedic. I would lean towards keep. Remember, Nepal does not have as many media houses, print or otherwise as other more developed or populous countries, nor are Nepali music producers ever covered. It's only always the singer who is covered or written about. The subject would be the first Nepali music producer listed in Wiki if the article is approved and rightly so.--Tabletop123 (talk) 00:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

As you have been told before, posting multiple times with bolded !votes is not acceptable behavior in an AfD. Please, for the love of sanity, ready, understand, and follow WP:BLUDGEON. This is coming very close to WP:DISRUPT. Also, at the risk of stating the obvious, this is the English language Wikipedia, not the most important Wikipedia. There is a Nepali-language Wikipedia and a Nepali subject may be better covered there. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:24, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey, you are getting a bit personal with your choice of words aren't you? The first time you did it I passed it as a free one. Do I also detect a hint of prejudice and almost a suggestion that Nepali articles are not good enough for English wiki? Steer clear of such intentions.--Tabletop123 (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Delete and SALT. Promotion of a subject who is not yet notable. Eric Carr (talk) 18:00, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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